They needed someone to blame. Snow allowed that someone to be him. Major ditto to the first guy's point. Not only wasn't letting those people fight Snow's idea. It wasn't a BAD idea. There aren't only FOOT soldiers in there, there are a bunch of really powerful enemies, which can pick you off from the air, destroy the bridges you are trying to cross with one blast or BOTH. Forget being where Snow and Gadot were at that time. If you are anywhere on those bridges, you are NOT going to be safe.
You want to get out of there as soon as you possibly can. The more people fighting, the faster the bridges will be cleared.
I don't for the life of me, see how letting those people fight was an inconvinience to anyone. This Troper wonders how many times it has to be mentioned that Hope is a young teenager, in a situation way in over his head, saw his mother die and just naturally grieves for her and chooses to focus his irrational emotions onto the closest target that he blames for this situation Snow so he won't go insane and fall apart instantly?
Whilst this is indeed true, I think the reason why Hope is such a Base-Breaking Character is not because he is a whiny kid, but because he is a whiny kid scaled up to eleven. My go to example of how to pull off a distressed teenager is Ellie from The Last of Us.
She too has been through some absolutely unspeakable crap including losing a Mother Figure before her eyes and yet she doesn't feel the need to remind you about it by moaning and procrastinating in literally every scene she is in, and thus is a hell of a lot more bearable to the player because of it.
There does come a point where It's Realistic! At least in some cases peoples' opinions included , being realistic is actually more bearable than the lack of said thing. Those who don't mind Hope's grief probably think some variation of that, and aren't annoyed in the slightest by his whining not just because it's understandable feeling for it isn't hard , but because it's a good thing to let it out, and don't let the whining itself change those sympathetic feelings.
And thus 'it's counterproductive to be this realistic' doesn't apply to that side of the fence, overall anyway. There's also their vastly different upbringings to take into account.
Ellie was born in a Crapsack World , and had to learn to fend for herself and deal with a lot of horrible things at a very young age. Hope lived fourteen happy and comfortable years with his family before his life was turned upside down in one fell swoop.
It stands to reason that it'd take a lot more to make her snap than it did him. While Hope is a sheltered kid who has been thrown into circumstances beyond his control and blames Snow for his mother's death his mother being his Living Emotional Crutch.
See the above troper's response about how reality is unrealistic , Lightning is an adult and a trained soldier who blames Snow for her sister's circumstances because she doesn't want to face her own guilt when Serah told her that she'd become a L'Cie, Lightning immediately dismissed is as a lie so she and Snow could get married sooner.
She ended up driving Serah away in tears and jealously she was afraid that Serah wouldn't love or need her anymore because she had Snow now. She blames Snow for failing to save Serah, when she refused to admit there was a proble until it was too late. L'Cie Brand Power. Given that the L'Cie tattoo appears to be both the cause and effect of your death, why hasn't a single person thought of just amputating the infected limb or taking a knife and slicing it off?
There is no indication that the brand isn't the sole origin of this curse nor is there any indication that it will reappear somewhere else on the body. Given the three other choices being hunted down by your country's entire military, being turned into a living crystal statue or being transformed into what is essentially a zombie, surely the loss of a limb or a chunk of flesh is actually a damn good deal. Now it could be argued that Lightning and her party are too headstrong to do this, but out of the few hundred L'Cie we see not one of them took the logical step of trying to destroy the brand?
Perhaps it would move? It's not just the tattoo. The tattoo is just a mark that shows you're L'Cie, it's clearly the person's whole being that's affected. It'd come back. A few people must have tried it in the past - whatever resulted is probably why nobody tries it now.
There are a lot of deformed Cie'th on Pulse. Who's to say that cutting your brand off doesn't accelerate the process? From what I gathered, the brand is not so much the cause of your death, but rather the marker that indicates your state.
The brand is there for the l'Cie's benefit to help them keep track of how long they have until they become Cie'th. Cutting off the part of your body that is branded won't stop you from becoming Cie'th, it will just mean you don't know how long until you become one.
For arguments sake if it was as simple as cutting off the brand there is a slight problem in that whilst someone like Snow has it in a convenient location; for Lightning she would have to gouge off a pretty sizeable amount of flesh near a very intimate and sensitive area. You could make the truthful argument that the alternative would be far worse; but no woman would take that decision until the last remaining minute. Serah's "Secret". So I can understand that Lightning wouldn't believe that Serah was turned into l'Cie, and she's probably even more disbelieving due to the whole Snow thing.
So why didn't Serah just show her the l'Cie mark on her arm? Even Lightning wouldn't be able to dispute that. Lightning's flashback to her birthday shows Serah did show her the brand at some point during the explanation, Lightning most likely dismissed it as a tattoo Serah got to try and sell her "story" better. How would Lightning interpret that? Normal tattoos don't do that.
That may have been Lightning's epiphany that Serah was telling the truth, having just learned that a Pulse fal'Cie was really in Bodhum, and could easily have branded her. So far as we've seen, L'Cie brands only glow when they use magic, or summon eidolons Alternately: denial. The sister she was tasked with taking care of is leaving her to get married And try to tell me that there isn't at least a little codependancy between Serah and Lightning , and is also essentially marked for a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't Fate Worse than Death.
All of that landing on her at once, one can't really blame her for trying to reject it out of hand. She actually thinks that Serah's dating him as a cry for attention and that once she starts spending more time with Serah, Serah will kick him to the curb.
She thinks the whole thing is a cry for attention, instead of, you know, a potential catastrophe. Rendezvous Hope. Why did everyone decide to meet up at Hopes home they first time the returned to Cocoon? Okay so lightning was considering actually following through with her focus which also bugs me, but lets forget that for now and hope was joining her; but they decided not to follow through with their focus before any guards knew they were in Cocoon yet. Instead of turning and leaving they head into pulse to see Hope's father.
Later when rescued by snow they once again decide to take a walk to Hope's house. Yes I know that it would be nice for Hope to meet his father, but remember that they are fighting and killing soldiers who were trying to protect Cocoon in order to make it to Hopes home. Is hope meeting his father worth the slaughter of dozens, of loyal guards, terrorizing the civilians, and risking the lives of all the l'cie?
To kill them. Lightning says that was the purpose of the Purge. But with the citizens there's a difference. They're waiting to take them to the train stations before they kill them. With our heroes, it's kill on sight.
Hope's home is a safe place where they can gather together and plan out their next move without getting constantly shot up in the street. When they first arrived in the city, their plan was to just get through town without raising an alarm and use the train to get to Eden, but the ambush int he plaza ruined that plan. Afterwards, they agreed to a rendevous at Hope's house because they needed a meeting place that was safe.
Once they reunited on the rooftop, however, Snow was seriously injured so they had to take him someplace to patch up his wounds, and Hope's home is likelier to be safer than anywhere else.
Reckless Infiltration. When is it that in the scene in which they return to Cocoon after Oerba they make their appearance in a grand fashion involving attacking and killing Cocoon guards instead of trying to sneak in the same way Lightning and Hope had done previously?
I mean I would understand if they didn't have time to sneak in, but they literally attack the Cocoon guards the second they show up. Did they forget they were trying to save the lives of people in Cocoon? Remember that they came in with their Eidolons out and saved the racers that they inadvertantly knocked off the track, so the citizens of Cocoon probably thought it was part of the show. As Snow's waving to the crowd, the camera zooms in on his Pulse l'Cie mark, causing the citizens to panic and guards to swarm the racetrack.
Snow : "Probably should have covered that Our heroes wouldn't have knocked the racer off the track if they hadn't all abandoned ship mid-air over the largest gathering of people in Cocoon, and instead had piloted the ship to a quieter location and safely disembarked away from the highest concentration of security in the city. The fact that their Eidolons were ready implies that the team had some plan — but while Snow, Hope and Lightning seemed to be taking strategic actions to pick off security, the rest of their team was just riding aimlessly around the track.
What exactly was the point of that, if not to actually make the crew look like terrorists? When Hope is considering killing Snow why does he do it with the knife? Yes I understand that it's suppose to be symbolic, but lets not forget that hope is a magic wielding glass cannon with no strength while Snow is a tank. I have nothing wrong with keeping the knife as a symbol, but couldn't you have at least show Hope use some wind magic, the first spell he learns, to push Snow off the building after stabbing him or something?
In fact the only instant of magic other then summons being shown in cut scene was actually from Snow. This seems a pointless example of story and game play separation that removes the watcher of the cut scene from any scene of absorption by having the characters not use the very skills they are defined by in combat.
Because learning magic is a product of player action rather than automatic plot, and as such if they had magic in cutscenes they'd be restricted to the rather unimpressive stuff the characters start out with or risk having characters using abilities they don't actually know.
Wait, so would that apply to items too? Because as of recently I was wondering why Snow didn't just use a healing potion or something on himself while he was carrying Hope home.. Hey wait a minute There could also have been the motivation of wanting to kill Snow with his own hands. Using magic and all is like, "okay, cool, but it was the power of the l'Cie that did it.
Much more personal and visceral. At least, that's how this troper interpreted it. Hope's Eidolon Imbalance. Here's another thing about Hope to bug people. As much as this troper adores the moe woobie that is Hope, I was thoroughly confused when he got his Eidolon.
With the other characters, you saw their emotional distress that led to their Eidolons showing up. He goes offscreen for a while, and when he gets back he's somehow injured, and then he wants to get left behind.
Did this troper miss a scene? Why did Hope want to get left behind? Was it because of his mysterious injury? Was it because he was regressing a bit emotionally and felt like the load? Not even the datalog could clear it up. Hope's obvious distress is what summoned Alexander, that part I get. His brand suddenly progressed, which meant they were running out of time. He felt he wasn't helpful or strong enough and slowing down the others. After all he is the youngest and weakest story-wise and got hurt as soon as he was alone, not to mention that lightning already told him he was holding her back before, that everyone pointed out that he was no match for Snow, plus when the brands had progressed so much he probably thought the others would had been already in Eden if it wasn't for him.
Timing of Hope's Eidolon Attainment. Why does Hope not battle and obtain his Eidolon after he finally stops blaming Snow for his mothers death and accepts she is gone? Given what the story tells us about Eidolons appearing in moments of despair or indecision to put L'Cie out of their misery, and Hope has just lost his reason to even continue attempting to survive; AS WELL as the fact this is the conclusion of a story and character development arc that has been building up for the majority of the game thus far; why the developers choose not to have his Eidolon battle here and simply threw it into the end of a rushed character arc about Hope believing himself to be useless that lasts all of five minutes later in the game is simply ludicrous.
Hope was not suffering from indecision after he confronted Snow. Aside from burying the hatchet with Snow, Hope also got to have a heart-to-heart talk with his father shortly after. When his home was attacked, his father's trust in him gave Hope courage and strength to keep going and doing things.
It wasn't until they were on Pulse that they lost all sorts of goal. Hope's Eidolon appears after Hope's brand advanced a good chunk, which terrifies him. He's suddenly confronted with the idea that their time for completing their Focus is getting smaller and smaller. It scares him and makes him realize that, including his previous behavior, he was somewhat a load to several characters most noticeably Light in Chapter 4, though both got past that and he worries even more.
Selfish Lightning. Here's something that's been bugging me lately. Back in the Vile peaks, Lightning says that she doesn't want Hope to follow her because "With me it'll be fight after fight".
The Purge is still going on and I don't think that the Sanctum is going to stop trying to kill him just because he's a little boy because they had an even LITTLER boy on the purge train in the beginning of the game.
It's like, either he fights his way home, or he stays out in the wilderness where a monster or something could attack him anyway. Not that I don't like Lightning, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Also, in the beginning of the game when Snow, Gadot and Lebreau try to lead the Purge fugitives out of the vile peaks and fail, how come everyone else died, but Snow and Gadot were barely hurt?
If Hope goes with Lightning, he'll be constantly in combat because Lightning has her course dead set on assaulting Eden and taking out the Sanctum. If he doesn't go with Lightning, he can avoid most of the enemy and eventually escape into a more civilized area where he can disappear.
However, travelling with Lightning will ensure he will always be fighting Sanctum troops until they either wipe out the Sanctum government or get killed. If he doesn't follow Lightning, Hope at least has a chance of avoiding violence until his brand turns him into a Cie'th.
My problem is the place in which she ditched him. It was still chock full of enemies anyway, wasn't it? I think she should have waited longer to do that. Lightning is not being entirely rational at that point. The fact that Odin shows up at that point is an indicator of her mental state.
Some Abandoned Gates. If the entrance through the Vestige gates into the ruins was supposed to be forbidden, how come no one was gaurding it?
Dajh and Serah managed to get in without a problem I think I remember it being said that the gates were actually supposed to be a tourist attraction?? Who's to say that some more curious children wouldn't be tempted to go through the gates too? Dajh never got close to the Vestige gates. But then what about Serah? That's explained in the Chapter Zero prologue. It opened specifically for Serah in order to turn her into a l'Cie.
That makes sense. But why Serah? Sorry, it's been a while since I've read the novel, so I don't remember everything exactly. Is it because she was there when Fang and Vanille decided to enter the Vestige? Fang and Vanille were in a completely different Vestige. They merely ended up in Bodhum. As to why it had to be Serah The dormant fal'Cie suddenly reacted and branded the first one it got its hands on.
Sanctum's Believable Propagnada. I'm completely aware that the Sanctum's true intention behind the purge was to kill off everyone. But why was the public buying it? I mean, as far as they knew, the purpose of the purge is to move every single person to Pulse.
Wouldn't that just include people who could quite possibly be L'cie as well? No, the Sanctum wasn't trying to kill off everyone. It was just Purging the populace of Bodhum at the start. Another item under "why was the public buying it", the stated purpose of the Purge was to get rid of people who might have been exposed to a Pulse fal'cie, on the grounds that any of them could have therefore been turned into Pulse l'cie, who everyone is terrified of because Sanctum has been spreading propaganda about how Pulse is Hell and any Pulse l'cie will be enemies of all Cocoon and murder everyone there are a lot of lies in there, but that's what Sanctum is saying and the people believe it.
But every l'cie has a visible brand. Every single one of them. It might be hidden under clothing, but it IS always there, and these brands are apparently common knowledge. Umm, it wouldn't exactly be that easy. Lightning's Facade. What's up with Lightning's badass soldier hard-as-nails persona? In modern real-world terms, she's a cop from Malibu, yet she acts like a Marine from Beirut. Is she just overcompensating for her lack of experience and being in over her head, or do the Guardian Corps give waaaaaay more training than is at all necessary?
The Guardian Corp is one of two branches of the military, so it makes sense that Lightning would have military training. You also have to consider that Lightning has been in said military for six years and probably received additional training. It is also hinted that she wasn't always patrolling Bodhum and that she used to go off on missions, suggesting that she has additional special training.
Bodhum's Guardian Corps are not an equivalent to Malibu police. They may be a civil police unit, but they are military, and Bodhum's units frequently get rotated into monster-killing duty. Generally speaking, the Sanctum's police forces appear to have equivalent training and equipment to modern military forces, and considering that they regularly have to deal with very powerful monsters and l'Cie, that's justified.
Lightning is also explicitly described as being one of the best, and was about to receive officer training. Her attitude, skill, and training make sense in context. She's less a cop and more National Guard Idk, she might have had a Malibu cop personality, but current events were no doubt stressing her to the max. Maybe Malibu minority cop during Cuban Missile crisis? Tech Issue. Is it just me, or did the bridges and fighters in the Hanging edge with NORA keep popping in and out of nowhere?
Are you referring to draw distance? Serah's Focus Trek. What exactly happened when Snow and Serah were trying to get away from the Sanctum?? What was going on once they reached that pillar? According to the datalog, they were trying to get Serah to the Pulse Fal'Cie so Serah could try to figure out her Focus.
Why Odin and not Raiden? Why did they call Lightning's Eidolon Odin? Given its elemental affinity—and Lightning's name— Raiden would've been more fitting. Also, if you want to think of it like this, Raiden and Odin were connected in FFVI, so it could still be construed as a reference. Also, Odin is the Norse god of thunder and lightning. No, that's Thor, but Thor is Odin's son. But Odin did start out in the 6th century or so as a sort of nightmare, horse-riding, spear-wielding deity before his myth changed over time and he became the Odin that we all know and love.
What is Odin in the game? A sort of nightmarish guy that can transform into a horse, and can give Lightning a spear when she rides him. It's still a shout out to Odin , and because this factor of his myth is little known, the story writers are also showing their work.
It's all there in the mythology. Way Old L'cie Brands. It's understandable in case of the Undying and the robots that were built by ancient Pulsians, but what about the low-level organic monsters that are basically mincemeat for bigger and badder beasts? They must have extremely long lifespans, or something like that Vanille's opening narration of Gran Pulse makes it clear that if you're gonna survive, you've gotta be strong in some way The other Marks could easily do the same.
Maybe the marks aren't the same ones' maybe where you meet the marks are the creatures breeding grounds? General Procurement In-World. How do you buy items from Cocoon's online weapon stores when you're on Gran Pulse? And, for that matter, how do they deliver the goods instantaneously?
I know the real answer is Gameplay and Story Segregation , but it still makes no sense. Really, really, really good wifi connections. Potentially Misguided Fal'Cie. Lemme see if I got this right. The whole point of the fal'cie is that they wanna destroy every human there is in the world to bring their maker back. If it was God and I returned to my planet to find mankind had slaughtered every other animal on the planet but itself, then I'd either kick their ass OFF said planet and curse them for eternity or outright murder them on the spot.
Did none of the fal'cie even remotely stop to think if maybe their god doesn't WANT them committing genocide?! They're desperate to get his attention.
It's not a rational plan, any more than an emo teenager slicing up his or her wrists is rational. Which is basically what it was—a grand scale suicide attempt to get their 'parent's' attention. I look at as a classic creational folly and b satire of the human state.
It's not the death that they hope will summon their Creator, it's the display of manipulation and control of a force of creation that will somehow bring about it's presence willingly or otherwise. I won't even double check, but what affection do the fal'Cie exhibit? What would they care for the presence of their Maker anyway, besides, other than accomplishing it? Similar to fire: you need the wood, but wood? Not impressive. The spark or smaller flame, even more vital, but still small.
Finally the standard fire, the display of mastery and reward of satisfying heat. L'cie Fate. What happens when a l'Cie dies before they complete their focus? For example, if their focus is to kill something, as everyone's seems to be, what happens if they die fighting their mark?
Do they just die like everyone else, or do they become Cie'th? It seems like it might be the latter, considering all the Cie'th Stones on Pulse, many from l'Cie who knew exactly where their mark was right when they got their focus, and all but a few of which seemed perfectly willing to do it.
Otherwise, you'd have to assume that they either still couldn't find their mark unlikely , chickened out before fighting them not always an option, like presumably in the coliseum , the mark decided to leave them alive unlikely considering what they do to the party , or the fal'Cie gave them an unreasonable time limit, which seems counterproductive. It might also explain why l'Cie never seem to consider suicide an option. I would double check canon, but I think l'Cie retain their right to death on failure.
To become a Cie'th is more dependant on denial or loss of perspective of a focus insanity, madness, even blowing a deadline. But say a l'Cie were about to land the decisive blow but the mark is that much quicker, the l'Cie would die before actually knowing the failure and therefore also not be alive to transform. Same for if a l'Cie dies en route to a focus. Suicide would not be covered. Inhumane Conditions??
What the hell's with the chains and bracelets on the oretoises? Even if they're sentient, which seems unlikely, they obviously don't have the dexterity to put them on themselves, and no one around seems likely to do it.
Except maybe Titan? But why? What, Titan isn't allowed to accessorize his favorite monsters? They recently escaped from poachaz. In-game Fall Invincibility. How do our heroes keep falling such insane distances without even a single bruise or cut? I also refuse to believe it is because of their L'Cie magic because of the fact they can still be killed from far far less than the kind of ridiculous damage falling hundreds of feet would cause to your body.
At least when Yuna did it back in Final Fantasy X by landing on Valefor's belly she had the excuse of only doing it once and having access to the magic granted by the Sphere Grid that more or less absolutely outstrip anything the Crystarium grants in raw power until you start to compare Overdrives with Full ATB.
Getting smashed into the ground from maximum height in battle does a grand total of 10 damage. This can even be blocked by wearing a wristband of all things. Considering there's no defense stat in the game it could just be assumed a L'Cie is naturally hardy perhaps? Final Fantasy 'Fro Style. Why does Sazh have a Chocobo in his hair?
He bought it as a pet for his son at Euride Gorge just before Dajh wandered into the power plant and was marked l'Cie. Because it's the most nest-like thing on Cocoon, outside of actual nests.
Opening Sequence Thing. Can someone please tell me the basics of what I have to know in order to comprehend at least the beginning?
The L'Cie I mentioned earlier are essentially people who are forced into doing a quest known as a Focus for the fal'Cie whether they want to or not. The reason they go through with it is because if they don't, they become horrible monsters known as Ci'eth, but if they succeed they become immortalized in crystal.
There you go, that's the beginning. Wow , Yahtzee was not kidding when he compared this game's exposition to a theater glossary. Why would you need to have the beginning explained to you? I, Fal'Cie. I always simply assumed that it was put in by Lindzei, since protecting Cocoon was their purpose. However the problem is, Cocoon was only created after the gods hightailed it, meaning that either they were older then Cocoon, and so would have no reason to be programed to protect it, or they were created by Barthandalus, who would have no reason to give them that restriction.
The only explanation I can think of is that when a Fal'cie is created, by someone other then a god, then the god they are descended from, in this case Lindzei, gives them a purpose much like Pulse directly branding the l'cie. Except that would make it very clear that he didn't support the plan; so they probably wouldn't go through with it anyway.
Perhaps it's not protection from harming Cocoon, rather protection from harming their people. At the time, likely followers of Lindzei, which likely morphed into citizens of Cocoon. Likely how Cocoon was made in the first place. It follows the guidelines, it keeps the people safe and cared for, prevents Pulse's adherents from harming them.
The loophole being that it also leaves them very vulnerable. So if someone from Pulse DID manage to disable it, every single person loyal to Lindzei is in a position to die in one shot, leaving the gambit of Barthandalus free and open.
Perpetual Focus So To Speak. I'm quite concerned about the fact that after years apparently the whole population of Gran Pulse is either dead, a Cie'th or a Cie'th stone. Speaking of probability, the probability of non-leveled up denizens of Gran Pulse surviving against those higher level Cie'th is. I don't know what canon supports this but, they are probably nomadic and have to move away from Cie'th constantly and it's just not included in the story. I think also Cie'th tend to "haunt" the area of their loss of focus or the area of focus in which they refused to complete the focus.
Haphazard Cie'th Stones. What is up with the Cie'th stones positions in comparison to where you are going to kill the marks? I was under the impression that they only regain their sentience and remember their focus once they become Cie'th stones. By the time that happens, they've been wandering around aimlessly for who knows how long as mindless Cie'th. Since they can't really move as Cie'th stones, they're just stuck wherever they happen to be at that point.
Flan Discretion. In a futuristic world of battle mechs, rocket launchers, jetpacks, drones, machine guns, power armour, airships and fighter aircraft; why would anyone go and put a siren on top of a flan or build a robot with basketballs for hands that punches you?
These things simply do not make sense in-universe. And whilst we are on the subject, where are the non-Fal'Cie related monsters in this game coming from anyway? In previous games there were always answers within the narrative, always some otherworldly event or enemy that was spawning them. In this game however they are just there.
They might be elemental sirens. I wondered about the revolving flashers on the flans too, but then I realized it might be to shame them into submission or service. Or maybe the flans are just too cool. As for non fal'Cie monsters I'm turning to real world explanation. Anyway the answer is simply that the monsters are Pulsian wildlife.
The sanctum breeds some of them and cybernetically augments them in the Gapra Whitewood and then uses them as attack "dogs". From that angle, equipping a robot with boxing gloves makes sense! Snow realized who the vistors were and ran over to say hi. Snow confirmed this by showing them his brand. Yuj, one of the NORA members, then walked up to Snow and angrily asked him, "Why the hell didn't you come and find us!? And, Yuj has a solid point.
Despite the fact that Hope turned into a L'Cie, he went through the trouble of finding his father, and they had a heartwarming renuion. I typed way too much already, but I think it's also worth pointing out more one thing.
The source of those datalogs entries I quoted, Paddra Nsu-Yeul, is actually a pivotal character in sequels. It's really cool to see how small, but interesting, references like these end up coming full cycle in the end. I'd like to add two things to the above. That's why it was vulnerable to the party's attacks when they came back from being Cie'th. Second, it's true that they were basically making a leap of faith when they decided to kill Orphan, assuming that they would somehow find a way to save Cocoon without knowing what that way might be.
However, it can be argued that it's actually quite rational to make a leap of faith at that point since the party had just experienced a literal miracle. They had the benefit of knowing that god or at least a god was backing them up. Last edited by tiornys ; 16 Aug, pm. Originally posted by tiornys :. So they needed to turn into Ragnarok in order to destroy Orphan, not Cocoon? The way I understood it, I tought they had to destroy Orphan to gain the power to turn into Ragnarok and destroy Cocoon, or something like that.
Still, how's Fang able being an incomplete Ragnarok and all to destroy the barrier around Orphan? Also, I'm still not sure I understand why Fang's mark is different to the ones the rest of the characters have. Wouldn't it make more sense if both Fang and Vanille's marks where different? This mysterious being fuels the fal'Cie Eden with the power necessary to maintain Cocoon's complex operational systems, and as such, its death would bring about Cocoon's certain destruction.
If they can transform into Ragnarok and destroy Orphan, Cocoon's demise will be assured. One thing I was wondering tho, how did Dahj and Serah come out of crystal stasis? Was it because the heros protected cocoon, or was it cuz the falcie had lost their power? Or was it another miracle? Odinsknight View Profile View Posts. Originally posted by mattshaneworkman :. Just for 13, it comes down to this. Orphan got tired of being humanity's slave and wanted to die.
Orphan, however, could not directly commit suicide due to his nature. Thus, he put into a motion a plan to get assassinated by "heroes". Last edited by WickedRequiem ; 21 Aug, am. Okay, guess that in the end it all makes much more sense than I thought. I still don't like that the game relies so much on datalogs, instead of explaining things directly to the player.
The developers left this like a number of other plot points open to interpretation, offering several hints instead of giving a clear cut answer. Switch Friend Code: SW Aquatrez posted Aside from maybe Vanilla and Fang, Anima was not the one to brand the main party. The Fal'Cie that brands them looks nothing like Anima and has been revealed to have been Pulse itself that branded them.
Maybe it's just me, but I always found that to be a complete Red Herring that ultimately meant nothing. Cid's focus was to help make the l'Cie stronger, so that they are a step closer to being able to fight Orphan. Since he fought them, and they won, they became stronger so he technically did fulfill his focus and hence became a crystal. Or it could be production reason: They originally had planned Sera to be the 7th party member, but as the story went on, they realized they had no good reason to include her, so they turned her into an Inventory Item that served no purpose except be the Emotional Plot Coupon for Snow and Lightning.
From what I remember, the Ultimania specifically brings up the notion of humans turning to crystal because of their own willpower in regards to Serah's Focus and turning to crystal. It's not a red herring or a retcon, from how it was presented in the game it was clearly intentional. The first time I played the game I picked up on it, and Snow's conversation with Vanille in Ch11 confirmed it. Nothing is confirmed either way, it just gives a strong enough hint that it's a very real possibility.
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